Tuesday, November 21, 2023

Dempseys 1840s


 Top of page:

So 1840. Is that January abbreviated? Included top of page since that Pat Jennings could somehow piece into how Catherine Jennings ends up in Cloonreliagh.


Further down same page, on 19th (January?) 1840. Michael of Bryan Dempsey and B. Mannion, sponsors Pat & Catherine Heany (?)

Included the following clip too since it involves the Waldrons of Foxborough ... more pieces to the puzzle!



This is March, 1842. "C Reliagh. 5th. Cath of Bryan Dempsey and B Mannion, sponsors John Dempsey and ? Dempsey"

July 22, 1843:

"Lawrence of Larry Dempsey and B Swyft (?) Sps Cecily Quinn (?) Der. Tigue"



Aug 1, 1841, Cloonreliagh: "Bern'd of Lawrence Dempsey and Brid. Swift. Sps ? Torney (?) and ? Dempsey"

So it looks like Laurence and Bryan are both around at the same time, raising families.

Bernard born 1841 can't be 'our' Bernard, who dies 1871 at age 45.

I realize some of this is duplicated from earlier posts ...

Thursday, November 16, 2023

Salthill & Galway

 Side trip for some tangential memories:


Endas: could it have been as bad as I remember it?



The Continental: could it have been as great as I remember it?


Blackrock: could it have been as scary as I remember it?

Along the prom: as beautiful as I remember it!


Thanks for Kath, Mark, and Nancy for making the trip over from Multy.

And thanks to Clare, Tadgh, Kate and of course Sam for meeting up with us. (Kath must have taken some pics of this, but I can't find any at the moment ...)


Further along the tangent, Ellie with Ruby, as we walked past Ard Na Mara:





Thursday, August 17, 2023

suggestion

ancestry.com suggested this link, and it is interesting:


This is 1838, parish of Kilkeevin, birth of "Pat Grady of Michalis (Grady) and B. Ganly"

We can thank the parish priest for the latinization of Michael to Michalis.

But 1838? When Patrick dies 1878 he is listed as 30 years old, which would make his birth 1848!

The Michael Grady (gr-gr-grandfather) and Ganly (gr-gr-grandmother) parts are too close to dismiss this, however. And Creggameen, where Ganlys are from, across from Derreentighe, is in Kilkeevin.

Interesting!


Wednesday, July 5, 2023

Ordnance Survey & Griffith's Valuation

Many thanks to Paul McCallion for pointing me to the Ordnance Survey of Ireland, which was completed about 1844. While Griffith was tasked with BOTH the OSI and the Valuation, they were completed at different times, so we have an odd snapshot of history between them.

The OSI was started 1830s, and completed 1844.

The Valuation was completed between 1853 and 1858, depending on the county.

In between, we have the Great Famine.


For example, this is the OSI for Derreentighe and Creggameen. Michael Grady's land is small circle dead center (though it likely was not Grady land at the time). The larger circles to the right are clusters of homes that existed in 1840s


Below is Griffiths, 1857/1858:

The plot Valuation is overlaid on the original OSI, but you can see the clusters of houses are now gone and replaced with single plots (with single family occupants). The first cluster of houses is now plots 20b and 17b in the center, and to the right plots 29a and 27b is the second cluster.

This was due to the famine, and the associated clearances (evictions).

Note that the landlord here is Wm. R.W. Sanford, part of the Sanford/Wills family:

They are also related to the Pakenham family and the famous (infamous) Strokestown estate. That estate is now home to the National Famine Museum:


Saturday, July 1, 2023

interesting! 1901 UK census

1901 UK census for Rotherham: 


Address would be 32 Millgate:


Listed are Tom Grady, Martin Grady, Harry Grady. Ages are wrong but I think the 'N.K.' means they were NOT present at the time the census was taken.

https://www.familyhistory.co.uk/census-abbreviations/

In the case of 'N.K.', the census taker was supposed to return to complete the info. Or, in this case, another person (different hand writing) crosses out the N.K. and perhaps puts guesses in for the ages. 



Note that gr-grandfather Thomas, grandfather Martin, and his brother Harry are NOT present in Ireland for the 1901 census (but John was). 

Also note that the 'head of household' is Jeremiah Kenny, also of Ireland. Need to research any connection to Kennys who lived nearby in Roscommon.

Is this them?

Saturday, June 10, 2023

Cloonreliagh and Clooncalaghy Link

 

Clooncalgy Link

(by Wendy)

Unexpected connections are lovely little gems when researching your genealogy! 

Thomas shared with me a grave stone he found in Granlahan Cemetery, that read “In Cherished Memory of the Dempsey Family/ Cloonreliagh and Clooncalaghy.”

As I am in search of how my 3rd great grandfather, Thomas Dempsey, fits into the family lines, I was immediately intrigued!

I first had a look at the Griffith’s Valuation Records for Clooncalgy, Clooncalgy more, and Clooncalgy beg.  No Dempsey is listed.

In the 1901 census, a Patrick Dempsy is found with his family in Clooncalgy. 


With a little bit of reverse genealogy, daughter Bridget was found to have a cancelled/changed birth record for January of 1899.  Her mother is listed as Catherine Kenny, and the town is Clooncalgy.  No birth record is found for Jane or William, but they are both in the census for 1901 and 1911. Bridget dies in 1902.





Jane was a somewhat unusual name for the Dempsey line, and I thought she would be easier to trace than her siblings.  Jane Dempsey’s birth record is missing at this time, but her marriage license does list Catherine Kenny as her mother.



Jane Dempsey is found to arrive in New York on Aug. 9, 1920.  She gives Patrick as her father in Clooncalgy, and she gives a Patrick Dempsey, brother, of 131 Jarvis Street, Toledo, Ohio as whom she is going to in the US. 





 


The Dempsey family of Toledo, Ohio was actually familiar to me, as I have DNA connections though this Patrick Dempsey (brother of Jane), to his granddaughter, Jean.  This is where I had my “AH HA” moment!  Brother Patrick Dempsey was the son of Patrick Dempsey (son of Thomas Dempsy and Bridget Monaghan) and Sarah Kilcourse (married 1877 at age 17). 

Patrick and Sarah/Celia have Michael in 1877 (8 months later), Patrick in 1881, Thomas in 1884, and Mary in 1886.  Sarah/Celia dies March 5, 1890 in Keyfield of likely Influenza, and Mary Burke (sister) reports her death from Clooncalgy.  

 


So Patrick is a widower in early 1890 with small children.  It is likely assumed he remarried quickly.  I assume this is when he marries Catherine Kenny.  Jane Dempsey  gives her birth as 4 Jan 1890 on her Social Security Application.  While Jane is always consistent with January as her birth month, the years vary: 1890 on her Social Security Application, 1894 on her marriage license,  1893 on her Passenger list, 1891 on the 1901 Census, and 1893 on the 1911 census. 

Patrick’s young children from the first marriage are not found in the 1901 census with their father, but with their maternal Grandmother Mary Jennings Kilcourse in Keyfield.



Patrick Dempsey, son of Patrick Dempsy and Sarah Kilcourse, immigrates in 1906 to Boston.  He lists his Aunt Winnifred Donnelly of Rhode Island.  She is his Great Aunt Winnifred Jennings Donnelly.  Mary Dempsey (daughter of Patrick Dempsy and Sarah Kilcourse), has already come over to Rhode Island in 1905 and had listed her “Uncle” Michael Donnelly (Winnifred’s husband). 

By 1910, Patrick is working for the Railroad and living in Ohio, and his sister Mary (married to Michael Horgan) is in Ohio as well. 

 

Another connection to tie the families together can be found in this record from 1884 in the Courts.  In the 5th entry. The Dempsey, Kilcourse, Buck, and Page families seem to have some connections as well.  Townlands represented in this entry incorporate all the townlands above: Keyfield, Clooncalgy, and Cloonreliagh.  Don’t miss the 4th entry where Thomas Buck says Mary Kelly “set” a dog at him!

George Kilcourse is the brother of Celia Kilcourse Dempsey in the 5th entry.

More to come on the Buck/Burke connection later.  Others might be interested in the 6th entry on the page of the Grady family. Lots going on it seems!


Of the Toledo, Ohio Dempseys:

Son (“Jim” Dempsey) and granddaughter (Jean Dempsey) of Patrick Dempsey 1881-1972 Toledo, Ohio

Courtesy of Katie


It’s a Small World After All…..


Friday, June 9, 2023

Granlahan

From Derreentighe, the closest church and school are definitely in Trien, right around the corner (a little further for Cloonreliagh, but not by much).

Yet, Thomas Grady and Mariah Dempsey get married in the Granlahan church in 1876:

https://family-ogrady.blogspot.com/2021/01/thomas-grady-and-mariah-dempsy-documents.html

Also, most of the births and deaths we see for Grady/Dempsey are in Kiltullagh parish. Granlahan, Derreentighte, and Cloonreliagh are all in Kiltullagh, Trien is is Kilkeevin.

Does that matter so much in late 1800s Ireland? Would people travel further for a church just because it is in their 'official' parish?

Based on the Granlahan link, I went searching for gravestones at the Granalahan cemetery. This was posted on irishnative.com:

irishnative.com never responded to my inquiries, specifically where they got the label from. The records for Granlahan church are supposed to be on findmypast.com, but so far I haven't been able to find them.

But, Dempseys from Cloonreliagh are definitely 'us', so we searched Granlahan graveyard and found:

"Cloonreliagh and Clooncalaghy", which is also known as Clooncalgy.  Someone (likely from Clooncalgy side?), has maintained this stone.

There's a Patrick listed in the 1901 census for Clooncalgy:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Ballinlough/Clooncalgy_More/1663557/

Wendy has found that this is Patrick, son of Thomas and Bridget Dempsey of Cloonreliagh. He is widowed, remarries, and moves to Clooncalgy!

more to come ...

Also, if you are a cat lover, this cat approached us outside the Granlahan graveyard (with Ellie):

We named him Dempsey!


Monday, June 5, 2023

Cloonreliagh

At the corner where the Cloonreliagh 'triangle' roads meets the actual settlement of Cloonreliagh are the remnants of Bernard Dempsey's house. This is where Mariah (and siblings) would have been born and lived.

Plot #3 is on the right. Thomas Dempsey is #3b, Bernard is #3a. Though not labelled on the map, 3a is the structure just left of 3b.







The Derreentighe house is in much better shape, but that was lived in until at least 1940 (without electricity or running water, yikes).
This house was left much earlier. We know Patrick Dempsey (Mariah's brother) dies early, leaving his widow Mary Waldron Dempsey to marry William Dempsey in 1887. When Mary dies and William re-marries in 1917, he is not living in this house (although is still farming the land).

The 'shop' area of Cloonreliagh:


On Griffiths in 1867, this would have been plot #3c, belonging at the time to Daniel Moran.

PJ's great grandparents built this house, to the left of the shop:


 
Thanks to PJ for showing us around and to Finola for climbing through the remnants with me!


Best way to navigate to Griffiths:

https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kiltullagh/ballinlough/cloonreliagh/


Friday, June 2, 2023

Derreentighe

So great to walk the actual ground of the home of Thomas Grady & Mariah Dempsey Grady!

First four pics from Ellie:



Looking down to the well.







Below two are Kath's pics:

Plate above fireplace:




Griffith's 1867, Derreentighe:


The Grady plot is the 'duck bill' triangle in near dead center, plot #2.
Gr-gr-grandfather Michael Grady's plot in 1867 is #6, to the right.
At the end of the Grady driveway, turn left onto Derreentighe Rd.
Make left onto Trien Rd, R361.
Stop at first house on right. The woods to the left and behind this would have had Michael's house, 1867.
According to Joe Flannagan (a cousin somehow!), the current house is his brother's.
But plot #6 was land re-forested in the late 40s/50s. Part of the re-forestation was to remove any structure remaining. So remnants of Michael's house are long gone. Note the current house is NOT on plot #6 (so wasn't Michael's). Current house would have been #5a on Griffiths.

Make next right off R361 onto first road in Trien. Go to 3rd house on right. This is plot #21 on map.
This would have been Mary Ganly's house, who widows young and marries Michael Grady. (so, gr-gr-grandparents).

Questions:
1. when does Michael & family move from plot #6 to plot #2? Somewhere between Griffith's in 1867 and first census of 1901.
2. Trien vs Granlahan: more research needed

Note plot #19a directly above and to the right of the duck bill would be what becomes Harry Grady's house.
Harry's house today. Before he died, John Grady was sending money home from Rotherham to build this house for his parents.


I understand the direct links to Griffiths don't work.
So, go to: